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Ernie Rockwell's avatar

The variety of comments leads one to believe that this is a real person rather than a bot. Whether it’s somebody who’s creative and employed to do so or just someone who is unhinged, I can’t say. It would be nice if someone like that would at least make a coherent argument once in a while.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Not unhinged, but creative and passionate about healthcare reform and medical freedom. The issue is Rima simply can’t stand to be called out for her bad judgment in this case, so the person calling her out must be cast as crazy. It’s a sure sign of a delicate and overinflated ego when one can’t engage with critics; even critics who are on the same side of the issue as her!

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

This appears to be more of a case of “bad judgement” from your point of view.

You are the ONLY commenter here that seems to hold these views, of seriously defending Ms. Means, against any “perceived attacks” you feel Dr. Laibow is rendering on Ms. Means. We all can come to our own conclusions without feeling the need to bash Dr. Laibow and the facts she has brought to our attention regarding Ms. Means “qualifications” (or rather lack of) to be the “nominee for Surgeon General”.

What have you done as far as “healthcare reform and medical freedom”? Why have I not seen you or your comments on many “medical freedom or healthcare reform” Substack’s over the past three plus years?

You seem to be a relative newcomer to the game. And not a very nice one at that.

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Katherine's avatar

🎯

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

I'm fairly sure I've seen her around before but don't recall much about her. I think I might even have '"liked" some of her comments. I got into a polite dsagreement with a transgender woman at one stage and from the look of Julie's photo it might have been her. But I can't be sure. The transgender woman was actually quite civil. Julie seems to have a really big ego and to be a bit hypersensitive.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Lol, if you were disagreeing with a trans woman, it wasn’t me. I have two children of my very own.

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Xmen442002's avatar

I see that you are anti vax. That's good.

I do not agree with Rima on many things and have gotten into it a few times with her, heated, civil, but respect is imperative whether we agree or disagree with any other opinions.

She is a MD and qualified above most of us to give deeper insight into this subject and that's what all of us need to appreciate.

I am not a fan of RFK, Trump or anyone in our government, democrat or GOP, for they are all demons that answer to a den of demons outside of DC.

We all have our way we wish to to fight these globalists, but division is not helpful and what they seek to weaken the masses.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Of course you’re right about the downside of divisiveness and lack of respect, and I certainly never lead with either of those, but it was precisely both of those things that raised my ire after reading Rima’s smear of Casey Means. Her post was full of flat out incorrect and purposely misleading innuendo. I admit it got heated, but where we diverge is at your respect for an individual simply because the have an MD behind their name. I have witnessed and been at the wrong end of horrible treatment and misdiagnosis from MD’s going back 30 years, and as a result have learned to advocate for myself and my children in order to avoid the harms they inflict on unsuspecting patients who give them way too much credit for knowing how our bodies actually work. Rima should know better having been in the functional medicine space for 55 years, according to her claim, but the way she is treating this SG nomination is further proof that people with a medical background are some of the last we should trust when it comes to achieving true health and wellness outcomes.

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Ernie Rockwell's avatar

Why not just say something like “Dr. Rima I think you’re way off base on this one because…”, then stating your case? Just like one would expect in a civil person to person conversation?

Personally I don’t like to call Substackers who are fighting for our freedoms shills or controlled opposition since for one reason I can’t know it to be true, even though in some cases there might be an element of truth in it.

Even if we disagree on some things, for example whether virus theory has been proven, I appreciate their efforts nonetheless. I don’t need to insult them for disagreeing with me.

I could go on the Substack of someone like Dr. Eric Topol, vax promoter extraordinaire, and lash out but he would just block me and delete the comment, in all likelihood. Or, leave it and showcase it as an example of an unhinged antivaxxer.

As to Dr. Means herself, why shouldn’t she be subject to scrutiny on a blog like Dr. Rima’s? She is aiming to become an influential public figure.

My two cents.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

My original comment was essentially exactly that - a reasonable defense of Casey Means. Rima respond with condescension and dismissiveness, but she didn’t mention that in this post. And of course Casey Means should be subject to scrutiny, but there’s a difference between asking legitimate questions and lobbing untrue smears and attempting to paint her as a globalist technocrat. Rima’s post fell hard center in the latter camp, thus my response.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

If Dr. Rima had insulted you, then I would understand you returning fire with fire. But why attack her personally like some Zuckerberg style speech police agent when she has not done so?

There are trolls that call themselves "Freedom Lover" and "Kitsune the maskless crusader" that engage in similar, even worse behavior on Dr. Paul Alexander substack whenever he questions whether a history of recklessness, impulsivity, drunkenness and poor behavior toward women by SECDEF Hegseth makes him unsuitable to hold the position he holds.

Some could get the impression that they have a "narcissistic injury" or wound and become enraged as a result of identifying with Hegseth and him being criticized. Please do not degrade yourself by being like those trolls.

I am sure you are better than that and can engage with your gracious substack host in a polite and respectful manner, even though you may disagree with her. Please do so.

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Vicki S Ragland's avatar

You were asked not to comment, I believe.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Asked is a request, not a command I’m required to respect. Rima decided to drag my name through the mud, so I’ll be defending myself, thank you very much.

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Vicki S Ragland's avatar

I held your comment up to a mirror, and it made perfect sense.

You're welcome.

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Barbara Scott's avatar

Disagree!

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Jelleke Wierenga's avatar

Interesting that Julie UnableToShutUp describes herself on her substack profile as “spiritually mature”. To me, she sounds like a child engaging in a “is” “is not” argument, thinking she’s winning because she’s shouting the longest and loudest.

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Yvette Worrall's avatar

A sure sign of spiritual maturity/wisdom is the lack of egotistical proclamation of it. What a give away.

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Elsie's avatar

I think you (and I) underestimate what bots are capable of. I recently read a whole article on the amount of activity that is either AI or paid shills who sit and type these type of responses all day long. The more they type, the more they get paid. The idea is to make you look and feel bad for having an opinion that they want to discourage. They are so good at it. These are NOT real opinions they dish out so you probably shouldn’t bother trying to figure anything out. Waste of time

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Monique's avatar

Thank you, Elsie, because I noticed it's gotten worse. They do tap into your psychology.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

My comments are designed to engage, not shame. Some people, apparently Rima among them, simply can’t stand the heat when they encounter criticism. #NotABot #MedicalFreedomActivist

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Your “sense of engagement” leaves a lot to be desired, and comes off more as a personal attack, than “engaging”.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

Your comments remind me now of Marjorie Miller, who also went on the attack in defense of Means on Dr. Paul Alexander's substack recently. Is this a thing with Means supporters? I'm agnostic as to whether I'm for or against Means. Here's some quotes from Marjorie:

"It sounds like you got fucked in the bathroom by Malone and he didn't call you back for seconds and you got hurt feelings. ok, sharp tongue coming out so I'd better go, but in closing let me just add, I'd just bite your dick off, with pleasure of course."

"Same to you Bitch. Have you read her book? Go get another vaccine and suck your doctors dick. I respond in the same way I am addressed. If I speak to a foul-mouthed person, they will get my foul mouth and more."

Like Marjorie, I also respond in the same way I am addressed and return fire with fire, including by being foul mouthed (as tolerance for profanity is positively correlated with intelligence) and like you I don't like echo chambers and like to encourage people to think but do you reaaly believe insulting Dr. Rima is going to win you hearts and minds or bully her into silence or into adopting your point of view?

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

I didn’t start my comments with vitriol - she kind of left that part out. She responded to my initial comment with condescension and that brought out the vitriol in my part, which I’ll admit is not a good look, and at that point, you’re right, the plot to win her over got lost - which is a shame.

But like I said before somewhere in one of these threads, it’s not just her that’s reading the comments, and apparently my comments grabbed her attention enough to inspire her to make a whole separate post about it, so you have to hope that at least the comments are still rattling around in there somewhere. And again, my comments on both her and Naomi’s posts on this topic have gotten a lot of support - so I’m clearly not the only one who feels strongly about not just this nomination, but about people on the side of medical freedom and true healthcare reform committing to support the best chance we have of reshaping the way public health, the medical industry and pharmaceuticals are done in this country in the last 100 years. I’m not sure why you don’t trust or like RFKJr, but as a Mom to a vaccine injured child, I can tell you, his establishment of Children’s Health Defense and advocacy on behalf of the vaccine injured is unparalleled and in spite of the mainstream media’s recent smear campaigns, his integrity is unimpeachable. Maybe give him another chance.

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

I like RFK Jr.

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Monique's avatar

From what I see, Dr. Rima handles people with differing options politely overall. Maybe you both may work on whatever is going on here.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Rima was both condescending and dismissive of my initial comment on her post smearing Casey Means yesterday; she conveniently left that part out in her homage today. I didn’t start out with vitriol, but I don’t often hesitate to go there when people reveal themselves as bad actors or simply unwilling to listen to reason, as she did yesterday.

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Monique's avatar

@drrimatruthreports this person took something wrongly. As a pacifist for humans and animals, I would like to see you both work this out. Will land it there. Much success.

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Stephan Hokke's avatar

Unfortunately we are in a world where deceit and lies are becoming more evident. Truth has taken a back seat even if only to grasp the other points of view and analyze them for truth and actuality, before putting forward a considered reply. As supposedly said by Sir Winston Churchill, A lie has gone half way around the world before truth has even put its pants on. And so we find ourselves on the slow reaction. But the lie has impact. It is pushed by the complicit media. And once truth has been established, there is a stormy mess that it must embark on to smooth the rough waters. And it is already too late for truth, as lies and Deceit have won over public opinion and made it very hard to destroy the liars. Now, is the Means husband and wife being inserted into the fray a ploy by Trump, a King Move by the Deep State? Or is it a distraction? A person who deals with the truth would make a considered single post. I feel that a liar and deceiver would make multiple responses in order to distract those who deal in truth. The poster's comments are ad-hominum. A bad sign. Truth deals in facts that can be shown. Deceit deals in generalities and personal attacks. Anyone wanting to get to the truth of the matter must deal with facts and facts alone and cast aside any "opinion" that has no facts expressed. Truth is also un-emotional. The liar is vehement and earnest. Discern the difference and devote your efforts to the Truth seeker.

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Barbara Scott's avatar

Excellent.

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Xmen442002's avatar

Churchill??

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Deborah's avatar

Can you not block someone who is causing problems; since this is your subset?

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AwakeNotWoke's avatar

That would be sinking down to her level. I only block stalkers. Her goal is to police Dr. Rima's speech. She seems to have element of Fauci and elements of Zuckerberg in her make up. Blocking her would be playing her speech police game.

Better to let people see her for who she really is.

Incredibly, she apparently has had two kids.

I can only conclude that they must have been conceived by in vitro fertilization as her personality would be a powerful contraceptive.

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remoteviewer57's avatar

I Ended Up Muting Her Because I'm Not Wasting My Breath On Those Unwilling To See Truth Anymore, I Spent The Last 10 Years And Much Longer Trying To Get People To Not Get Vaxxed And It Seems Like They Could Hardly Wait To Virtue Signal, Get Their Shots And Then Denigrate Us "Anti-Vaxxers" "Whom Endangered Their Lives By Not Taking It".

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Her Substack…

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Deborah's avatar

Yes, I was asking Rima; since it is her substack. That is up to her how she handles it. I just skip over the postings.

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Rima E Laibow MD's avatar

I believe in the precious First Amendment. People who offer dismissible, unpleasant and unhinged commentary have the protection of that Amendment, too.

Censorship is abhorrent to freedom and I am an advocate of freedom. It would be easy (and satisfying) to block her, but it would be the easier wrong and I will not take it.

But I can think about it!

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Dr. Joseph Sansone's avatar

Yes she can.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Of course she could, but she just told you why she isn’t blocking me: I single handedly increased her engagement by 25% - she’s just mad that it’s by calling her out and not adoring her like so many of the rest in here.

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Kristina the Short's avatar

Dr Rima, I perceive Julie UnableToShutUp as a real person with a lack of good manners and a need for more chores. If she could be nice, I would want her to come help me get my garden ready. Julie keeps insisting she only wants to get people to think----- well, actually (aside, to Julie): I also love to get people to think; but I don't do it by throwing insults, and --- again to Julie -- HOW DO YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT THINKING ???

or to put it another way, WHAT PROOF DO YOU DEMAND, THAT WE ARE THINKING? (do you perceive my scorn? I hope so. I despise anyone who tries to manipulate me.) Please understand, little girl, I do not intend to give you any of the proof you want.

Dr Rima, Julie UnableToShutUp is not adding to the discussion. I wish you would block her. I plan to.

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Xmen442002's avatar

Blocking her gives her a victory and places doubt in readers minds.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

The proof is when you observe someone, Rima, talking out of both sides of her mouth and metaphorically cutting off her nose to spite her face, ie, doing her best to smear RFKJr’s pick for the SG the nomination. Saying you want progress and change and then hamstringing the only person in a position to achieve doesn’t sound like sound thinking to me. #BlockAway

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Richard Calland's avatar

I'd take it as a compliment Dr. Rima that this individual has directed so much negative energy and time your way as this clearly indicates your position and commitment to truth scares them/him/her. Who or whatever this writer is, got "bot"/"shill" written all over it, IMO.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Wrong, again. The “negative energy” is not because of Roma’s dedication to truth, but because of her abandonment of it. Enjoy the echo chamber.✌🏼

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Patricia White's avatar

I suspect this type of hostility does work well enough on some people that it is worth paying people with ugly hearts to do it, in an attempt to shut down people who are an actual threat to the status quo money grubbing soullless ghoulz whose existence depends on keeping the lies going.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

How can you honestly consider Roma to be a threat to the status quo when she is literally siding with Big Pharma in her campaign to smear Casey Means??? You realize that’s what’s happening here, right?

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Rima E Laibow MD's avatar

That's the second time you have gotten my name wrong, Julie. Bad typing skills or juvenile disrespect?

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

Of all the things I’ve posted, this is the second time you’ve decided to comment on the superfluous while also avoiding anything substantive. Inflated ego or narcissistic personality disorder?

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Snork's avatar

What was your argument for Casey Means? I’m new to following this substack and would be interested in hearing it.

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JulieBelzeski's avatar

My argument boils down to two things:

1. RFKJr is the tip of the spear, and he said he wanted her. That should be enough for anyone; he needs allies in this fight, he asked for one, and we should support that.

2. Casey Means is doing a better job at communicating the issues and persuading people of the need for change than almost anyone I’ve heard or read in this space for the past 5 years. She is articulate, knowledgeable, and likable; these qualities matter when you’re trying to influence people from Baby Boomers to GenZ.

Casey Means is the Kayleigh McEnany of nominees for Surgeon General; she’ll do an excellent job as both an ally for RFKJr and an influencer.

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Snork's avatar

Thanks for the reply. It seems logical. I didn't fall either way on her, as I really didn't hear much of anything from her before this.. Just all the attacks after. The slow speed at which things are happening to make improvements is disheartening, but hopefully the good will pick soon.

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Monique's avatar

There appear to be some borderline mental conditions. They scream in the words they write for no apparent reason. It's part of why I'm stepping back from all this.

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Monique's avatar

The negativity literally pulses through my body. I feel my body clamming up when this happens. Go away nasties.

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Vee's avatar

Hi Rima, you are not the only one dealing with "people" like this. I agree with what others have said, but there really is no way for us to know. In this day in age with AI, this can very well be an AI bot or it can easily be just another cult member of the statist cult. They usually if not always lead to admit hominem attacks. Here is one that went after Shannon Joy and Sasha Latypova just this morning. It was impossible for me not to chime in.

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/on-shannon-joy-show-discussing-the/comment/117083159

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Travis Christian Lau's avatar

Hi Rima. Have you considered that there is a cult that has been constructed around the character of the new secretary and that cult followers are a powerful political force and that cult followers are not known to behave in a rational manner?

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Bill Madden's avatar

As a person not qualified by education or experience to comment on medical questions, I greatly appreciate someone with the qualifications taking the time to express his/her thoughts relative to the question. Pro or con, well-constructed opinions help create better decisions. If only the ignorant and apathetic American masses would take a similar interest in all of our country's problems. Thank you for your efforts on behalf of the country.

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Heather B's avatar

Ever since COVID I've noticed a great many people acting unhinged, way more than normal. There are even some studies that suggest this, so maybe that's the case here. Some people cannot read something they disagree with and just scroll on by.

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Marcia's avatar

With all the comments that Ms Belzeski has made, she obviously has entirely too much time on her hands and needs to get a life, if she's real. I wouldn't waste my time responding to her or give a second thought to what she posts.

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American Voice's avatar

It’s ALL about Human 2.0 without the explicit permission of humankind to be “upgraded” by Biotech. Everything else is rendered moot. Children are even targeted at this point (mRNA childhood vaccination schedule with zero liability for biotech, exposures to telecom 5/6G, aerosolized chemistry in an audacious attempt to block out the sun, the lifeblood of most all things living).

The laws and regulations regarding Biotech are on industry’s side without the larger population understanding Enforced Evolution has already occurred. What makes us HUMAN must be addressed now. Not tomorrow. Now. Is the Surgeon General on the side of basic human rights to bodily autonomy, or, not?

Does this person deeply understand the convergence of technologies inside the human body, privacy implications, data protection, and medical switches/medical encoding of DNA/medical transmission of data?

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Lynn's avatar

This happens to be Dr. Laibow's substack. HELLO.... I believe many people who make comments on substack are paid bots or whatever you call them. Maybe, they use our comments for research or who knows what. Who has time in this busy world to write volumes on substack comments.

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